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senkora 14 hours ago [-]
This is a really well-written short article, and I agree with it completely.
I just wanted to add as well that, as someone who has read quite a lot of books on self-help and productivity, there is one that makes a lot of similar points: "Triggers: Creating Behavior That Lasts--Becoming the Person You Want to Be"
I recommend it to anyone who agrees with this article and feels like a book-length treatment of similar ideas would be helpful to them.
deepsun 7 hours ago [-]
> I was burdened with the mental labour of making this decision
But why, I always enjoyed having a choice. I also drove for a long time with several roads to choose, and I liked that each time I could like "naah, the sunset must be better on that road tonight, let's check it out" or "hopefully there's some fog going down the slopes today on another road". It's not labour, it was fun to play, kept out of boredom. Sometimes I even took roads that took longer just to have something new.
I believe you dread choices only when you try to min-max your life, overoptimizing every single choice. Just relax and let the life go its way.
Aramgutang 6 hours ago [-]
Wow, thanks, I'm cured.
Before giving out asinine advice like "just relax and let the life go its way", you may want to consider if doing that was an option, the person would have done it already. It's the equivalent of telling a depressed person to "cheer up".
If you don't struggle with executive dysfunction, that's fantastic. But you're also not the intended audience for this article. Avoiding losing hours of one's day to decision paralysis isn't the same as trying to min-max or overoptimise.
LateCheckOut 3 hours ago [-]
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Pawenniag 8 hours ago [-]
I think the strongest version of this idea is that process is basically a way of spending willpower once instead of repeatedly
pjc50 3 hours ago [-]
I think I would use "habit" rather than "process" to describe this. Process perhaps implies a bit more intent and structure, whereas a habit is doing the same thing repeatedly because that's what you do.
aleksiy123 10 hours ago [-]
This is a good one. Sometimes it doesn’t even matter if the made decision is suboptimal. It’s better than no decision.
Opinionated linters is an example.
Sometimes you just gotta turn your brain off and move forward.
airspresso 8 hours ago [-]
Agree. My team standardized on black in our Python CI/CD pipeline and precommit hooks and it was surprising how much time we reclaimed from not having to review coding style and discuss patterns. The compromise was to apply black and not think about it. And it worked out really well. This was back in the days when humans still wrote code XD
est 3 hours ago [-]
I am thinking of AI credit resets, it forced me to finish my project because I already spent subscription so better not waste it!
The cycle was a "process".
hartator 12 hours ago [-]
I think I would avocate actually against processes. Processes are nice, handy, and sage, but that assumes you have unlimited time. A baby crying and death approaching really make you rethinking useless 1-1s and meetings.
rootusrootus 10 hours ago [-]
I feel like the way you're using 'process' and the way TFA is using it are not the same, which makes this comment orthogonal to the point TFA is trying to make.
wordpad 11 hours ago [-]
Your counter is that death is a better motivator as well as being a desperate parent?
Well, main generational challenge is procrastination with too many unlroductive time sinks available.
nlawalker 12 hours ago [-]
> Both of these examples demonstrate a process, or a decision made in advance
A decision made in advance is not a process. Unlike all the other real-world examples of committed processes in the article, premade decisions don't require discipline - the actual substitute for motivation - to execute in a meaningful way that ensures actual progress.
Pawenniag 8 hours ago [-]
The useful part of deciding in advance isn't that discipline disappears, it's that you remove one place where you can negotiate with yourself
aleksiy123 10 hours ago [-]
I can make a decision to go to gym tomorrow.
My process/playbook for determining if I go to the gym is I go if I didn’t go the day before.
This is both a premade decision and a process that requires discipline to execute on.
So why isn’t a decision made in advance an example of a simple process?
LoganDark 11 hours ago [-]
it takes discipline for me to stick to decisions I made earlier.
hartator 12 hours ago [-]
> The ‘optimal’ approach would be to check traffic, analyze the data, and shave off five minutes from my journey.
Why not letting Google Maps decide?
rootusrootus 10 hours ago [-]
Then you are spending a bit of attention on an ongoing basis following the instructions given by the nav. If you're basically driving the same route every time regardless, you'll completely detach from having to pay any attention to it at all, it becomes muscle memory. AKA highway hypnosis.
mrheosuper 7 hours ago [-]
"Don't think, just do" has been my go-to quote.
academe 11 hours ago [-]
It hurts my soul to read of "Agile" as a fixed process consisting of arbitrary decisions like two-week sprints and 9:30 stand-ups.
There's surely something to be said for bundling behaviors and triggers, but I do wish the world of software development hadn't missed the whole damn point of agile.
pjc50 3 hours ago [-]
I think there's a lot to be said about why this didn't work out like that, using the cognitive load metaphor from the article. People like habits. If you're doing things differently every week you have to justify that among the team, and possibly outside it as well. Whereas (see checklist manifesto), if you turn "Agile" into a series of checkboxes that goes away. Standup? Tick. Done. Discussion of why we're having the standup? God no that's even more tedious.
sudo-bendg 7 hours ago [-]
Good point, and I do agree with it. I suppose I was specifically talking about the processes that a team uses - I guess"Agile" just rolls off the tongue easier.
thadk 10 hours ago [-]
Still reading but I like how Cat Hicks in Psychology of Software Teams (2027) confronts this dilemma on page 9: "Agile Manifesto said, 'Individuals and interactions over processes and tools.' DevOps made the argument that cohesive processes in software development needed to be invested in... Agile, DevOps, Platform Engineering, or DevEx, every engineering organization I've ever met with is struggling with implementing these ideals in the real world."
15 hours ago [-]
sublinear 6 hours ago [-]
> ... I would just have a rule which I had to follow.
I don't mean to be a downer, but to prevent anxiety I try not to be so strict with myself.
A process can be freeing at first, but eventually the idea can seep in that I'm missing out, wasting precious time on earth, or that I'm "trapped". Nothing triggers a panic attack quite like depersonalization/derealization.
I try to question whether my motivations are covering up fear. I don't want to be so afraid of decision fatigue that it locks me into even more misery.
Anyway it's for that reason that I treat processes as recommendations instead of rules. At the crossroads, I'd prefer visualizing a blue star or green checkmark projected onto the turn. Like a GPS, I'm totally free to ignore it and force it to recalculate the route. Now it's a fun adventure when I deviate instead of "breaking the rules".
e.g. "You broke the rule! Now something bad will happen!" vs "I wonder what's new since the last time I came this way"
I just wanted to add as well that, as someone who has read quite a lot of books on self-help and productivity, there is one that makes a lot of similar points: "Triggers: Creating Behavior That Lasts--Becoming the Person You Want to Be"
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/22544758-triggers
I recommend it to anyone who agrees with this article and feels like a book-length treatment of similar ideas would be helpful to them.
But why, I always enjoyed having a choice. I also drove for a long time with several roads to choose, and I liked that each time I could like "naah, the sunset must be better on that road tonight, let's check it out" or "hopefully there's some fog going down the slopes today on another road". It's not labour, it was fun to play, kept out of boredom. Sometimes I even took roads that took longer just to have something new.
I believe you dread choices only when you try to min-max your life, overoptimizing every single choice. Just relax and let the life go its way.
Before giving out asinine advice like "just relax and let the life go its way", you may want to consider if doing that was an option, the person would have done it already. It's the equivalent of telling a depressed person to "cheer up".
If you don't struggle with executive dysfunction, that's fantastic. But you're also not the intended audience for this article. Avoiding losing hours of one's day to decision paralysis isn't the same as trying to min-max or overoptimise.
Opinionated linters is an example.
Sometimes you just gotta turn your brain off and move forward.
The cycle was a "process".
Well, main generational challenge is procrastination with too many unlroductive time sinks available.
A decision made in advance is not a process. Unlike all the other real-world examples of committed processes in the article, premade decisions don't require discipline - the actual substitute for motivation - to execute in a meaningful way that ensures actual progress.
My process/playbook for determining if I go to the gym is I go if I didn’t go the day before.
This is both a premade decision and a process that requires discipline to execute on.
So why isn’t a decision made in advance an example of a simple process?
Why not letting Google Maps decide?
Agile is "responding to change over following a plan". https://agilemanifesto.org
There's surely something to be said for bundling behaviors and triggers, but I do wish the world of software development hadn't missed the whole damn point of agile.
I don't mean to be a downer, but to prevent anxiety I try not to be so strict with myself.
A process can be freeing at first, but eventually the idea can seep in that I'm missing out, wasting precious time on earth, or that I'm "trapped". Nothing triggers a panic attack quite like depersonalization/derealization.
I try to question whether my motivations are covering up fear. I don't want to be so afraid of decision fatigue that it locks me into even more misery.
Anyway it's for that reason that I treat processes as recommendations instead of rules. At the crossroads, I'd prefer visualizing a blue star or green checkmark projected onto the turn. Like a GPS, I'm totally free to ignore it and force it to recalculate the route. Now it's a fun adventure when I deviate instead of "breaking the rules".
e.g. "You broke the rule! Now something bad will happen!" vs "I wonder what's new since the last time I came this way"
Huge difference.